African GB, you should write to Brooklyn, to ad this situation into a new release of the Flock book! Serious! I am sure, without specific instructions on that all elders would be confused!
Anyways, I love your stories! Whats next?
Albert
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3 JC Elders in a car crash.
by african GB Member insuppose they get involved in a car accident shortly after handing down a df judgement in a jc.
they don't die, but surprisingly they all loose their memory.
all jc records that they had on them are destroyed during the accident.. what happens to the poor fellow who is supposed to be announced "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses"?.
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Spiritual education of my son....
by Albert Einstein in7 years my son was spiritualy educated as a future jw... my wife still is a faithful witness, so i cannot tell him straight "wtbs is a bunch of liars and hypocrites ...." he would be confused and would go to mom to ask if its right.... so i started explaining him indirectly, leting him to got to the conclusion himself.
we have several topics.
my favourit one is:.
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Hi Sad Michael,
an impoortant point: My goal is not manipulate and mind control my son. Absolutly not! I have absolutely no problem to accept his choice to become a JW, muslim, or a catholic priest when he is ready to decide for himself.
What is my absolut priority, to raise him free of guilt feeling, free of mind control and whatever he chooses must be really his own choice, made when he is fully aware of all consequences.
100% of JWs kids baptized are not aware what this really mean and what consequences this decision has.
My son goes only to JWs meetings, there he is exposed to emotional blackmail, is being told what he is expected to do.... , and must do...
My goal is to balance that, to let him see the world is not black and white ...
One point I repeat to him most often is "What age was Jesus when he got baptized? ...No way you get baptized any sooner!" (I did, and Iam sorry now...) IFand WHERE he gets baptized I really really dont care, if that really is his conscious will.
The beauty of childish innocence is that it's kinda like love
And the danger of childish innocence is that it believes everything the adults say (until certain age..). Thats why african girls want to be circumsied and why little boys in Iraq and Afghanistan become suicide bombers. We have a responsibility towards our kids Michael!!!
Albert
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Who have you lost?
by alamb ini wonder if we each put up who we lost from our lives and how long ago if it would be a testament to those who might find this thread and think.
the absurdity.. my parents: 12 years.
my brother: 12 years (he is now married).
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feared Smurfs and Snickers candy bars
Hey rebel, whats wrong with a Snickers candy bars? Is it also demonized???
Albert
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Spiritual education of my son....
by Albert Einstein in7 years my son was spiritualy educated as a future jw... my wife still is a faithful witness, so i cannot tell him straight "wtbs is a bunch of liars and hypocrites ...." he would be confused and would go to mom to ask if its right.... so i started explaining him indirectly, leting him to got to the conclusion himself.
we have several topics.
my favourit one is:.
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7 years my son was spiritualy educated as a future JW... My wife still is a faithful witness, so I cannot tell him straight "WTBS is a bunch of liars and hypocrites ...." he would be confused and would go to mom to ask if its right...
So I started explaining him indirectly, leting him to got to the conclusion himself. We have several topics. My favourit one is:
"Son, beware of cults!"
I describe him what cults are like:
"They prevent you from getting higher education... and you end up as a garbage man, or a window washer ...."
"They force you to believe 100% what they say, otherwise they will shun you and let your family to shun you..."
"They will prevent you from getting some kinds of medical help, even let you die, just because the cult leaders decided to it..."
"They encourage kids to join them when they are little, and later they cannot leave, because they would be shunned by friends and family ..."
So I describe him "cults" and a little bit later I describe him doctrines of JWs .... and (just by chance...) it sounds quite similar ...
The other day, all of sudden he asked me: "Dady, whats worse - a cult or JWs?"
So I paused ... and said: "Well, to be honest, there is not really a big diferenece..."
What a beautiful day that was ...
Albert
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How many people did Jesus disfellowship?
by Albert Einstein inso iam having serious discussions with my wife.
i am seeding .... and give her questions, she has a hard time to answer.. one of the recent was:.
albert: jesus is our perfect example right?
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Password, VIII, Jeff, good points. There is noway for JWs to argue over that.
Albert
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How many people did Jesus disfellowship?
by Albert Einstein inso iam having serious discussions with my wife.
i am seeding .... and give her questions, she has a hard time to answer.. one of the recent was:.
albert: jesus is our perfect example right?
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Password, VIII, Jeff, good points. There is noway for JWs to argue over that.
Albert
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How many people did Jesus disfellowship?
by Albert Einstein inso iam having serious discussions with my wife.
i am seeding .... and give her questions, she has a hard time to answer.. one of the recent was:.
albert: jesus is our perfect example right?
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Password, VIII, Jeff, good points. There is noway for JWs to argue over that.
Albert
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Polygamy only not for elders and ministerial servants
by Kosonen indo the bible allow to have several wives?.
in 1 corinthians 7:39 it is written that a unmarried woman can get married, to whom she wants in the lord.
so, if a christian have already one wife, he can take one other if a christian sister wants to get married to him.. how could sisters otherwise, who are often in majority in the congregations follow pauls recommendation in 1corinthians 7:1 to get married.
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Good point Kosonen, did you talk to your elders about it?
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How many people did Jesus disfellowship?
by Albert Einstein inso iam having serious discussions with my wife.
i am seeding .... and give her questions, she has a hard time to answer.. one of the recent was:.
albert: jesus is our perfect example right?
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But he in effect disfellowshipped the Pharisees by strongly condemning them to their faces, such as at Matthew 23. Also, he in effect disfellowshipped Judas Iscariot by sending him away from the last supper."
Sir, I dont buy this:
1) Jesus strongly condemned Pharisees, but made no arrangement limiting assosiacion with them for his followers. That was not DF as practised today by WTBS. At one point he condemned also Peter.... but that did not mean he was DF.
2) Judas was not DF by Jesus. At one moment Jesus let him go from the party, but it was not forbidden for others to talk to him.
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How many people did Jesus disfellowship?
by Albert Einstein inso iam having serious discussions with my wife.
i am seeding .... and give her questions, she has a hard time to answer.. one of the recent was:.
albert: jesus is our perfect example right?
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disfellowshiping is some cold crap that came in latter by nasty Paul...not very Christ-ian.
JWs usualy argument with what did Paul wrote ... but reading that, without keeping in mind WTBS doctrines, shows Paul was concerned about people, who really were an active threat to christians, actively causing problems etc... , even so... It was supposed to be a very extreme situation... .
Today, I know a number of people being DF just for not believing WTBS doctrines. Example: Good friend of me was recently DF for aproaching Jesus in prayer. He is a very spiritual and exemplary person, JW for over 20 years, long time pioneer, elder, really examplary husbend and father, and he was DF like any sort of a criminal, fornicatior, murderer .... All he did - was praying to Jesus - He just from the Bible learned there is nothing wrong about it, and privatly did so ... but somebody found out, dennounced him to the elders, and he got kicked out in one week!
If you read Pauls letters, what was happening in the congregations that time - If they were DFing, like WTBS does today, there would be no congregations at all in the first century at all!
Albert